Brian -:- Scruffy update Sat, Jun 06, 1998 at 02:39:36 (EDT)
Lisa R -:- MORE ANIMAL ABUSE Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 15:47:05 (EDT)
Allie R. -:- Re: MORE ANIMAL ABUSE Re: MORE ANIMAL ABUSE Thurs, Jun 04, 1998 at 11:58:16 (EDT)
Lisa R -:- Buster Bill Updates Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 15:28:32 (EDT)
Brian -:- Cindy- death not in vain Sun, May 31, 1998 at 22:18:17 (EDT)
Shane G. Sutliff -:- Announcement Wed, May 27, 1998 at 08:22:40 (EDT)
Shane G. Sutliff -:- Cindy's Web Page New Address Fri, May 22, 1998 at 23:45:55 (EDT)
Joan -:- Web Page is definitely moving Thurs, May 21, 1998 at 23:38:34 (EDT)
Lisa -:- BUSTER BILL UPDATES We
| Date: Sat, Jun 06, 1998 at 02:39:36 (EDT) Poster: Brian stanleynlucy@globalserve.net To: Everyone Subject: Scruffy update Message: Hi, It's Brian. Without giving the whole news story I will pass on the headline than give directions to the rest of the info.The Kansas City Star as of 10:24 pm est on June 5 reports,"Dogs tormenters put on probation" "Citing evidence of a connection between serial killers and animal creulty, A Wyandotte County district judge on Friday ordered psyciactric evaluation and treatment for two men convicted in last years videotaped torture and death of Scruffy , A six pound Yorkshire Terrier" For the rest of the story see http://www.kcstar.com/local/local.htm ,Though after today it will be in the papers archives.Two other accused await a trial by jury. One of the charges they are facing is arson as they set fire to the little dog during this most disturbing ordeal.Kansas is another state trying to enact legislation to change animal abuse to a felony conviction.I am not sure about thesentence today regarding prisonn time but am relieved to see these men having to undergo a psyciatric review and treatment.Anyways keep on writing those letters for The Buster bill and others relevent to your own area.Also it has been pointed out to me by another kind caring soul -thanks C- It does'nt matter where the letters come from be it out of state or out of country and that in fact out of area letters to judges/assembly speaker ect..can be sometimes more effective because it lets the powers that be, know that many others are aware of their particular situation.Anyways ,Finally I am sorry for being so long winded, I will shut up now and let someone else speak.for those who can not...So long ......Bri...... Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, Jun 04, 1998 at 11:58:16 (EDT) Poster: Allie R. To: Lisa R Subject: Re: MORE ANIMAL ABUSE Re: MORE ANIMAL ABUSE Message: Lisa, As hard as it is to read things like this, thank you for passing it along. No matter how many cases I read about, I am still always shocked with what heinous things people will do to an animal that can't defend itself against the barrel of a gun or a baseball bat. As anyone reading this Web page knows, we are trying very hard to get the "Buster Bill" passed. PLEASE, for the sake of all the "Cindy's" in this world, take a few minutes and write to Sheldon Silver as Lisa suggested in her previous message. You really can make a difference. Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 15:47:05 (EDT) Poster: Lisa R To: Everyone Subject: MORE ANIMAL ABUSE Message: IF YOU DON'T THINK THE BUSTER BILL IS IMPORTANT TO OUR STATE - CHECK THIS OUT! In the town of Ira a woman complained that a "wild" cat needed to be disposed of because it had bitten her daughter. They contacted an animal shelter in Weedsport who proceeded to place a "Have A Heart" trap at the residence to capture the cat. The animal shelter was contacted after a few days when the cat had indeed been caught in the trap. The shelter told them to leave the cat alone until they got there. When a shelter worker arrived at the house, she found the trap to be empty and in searching for the cat found a trail of dead kittens leading to the basement of the house. The cat had miscarried her half-term litter and was found huddling in a corner of the basement with a hole in the right side of her face and her front leg open to the bone. Upon leaving with the cat, one of the daughters of the woman who called the shelter said that her "mother had shot the cat point blank". Not only is the woman pleading not guilty to the charges against her, but is now saying that the animal was hurt because it was hit by a car. The pussy cat who was labeled as "wild" is healing in her adoptive home and is labeled as "a sweet kitty". Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 15:28:32 (EDT) Poster: Lisa R To: Everyone Subject: Buster Bill Updates Message: I am expecting a call from Jim Tedisco's office with an update on where this bill is in the process becoming law. The last time I spoke with Tedisco's office, the bill was being revised to accommodate some concerns people had with the bill's language. Tedisco's office stated that the Chairman of the Codes Committee was very enthusiastic over the bill and was anticipating the bill getting out of the Codes Committee soon. However, Tedisco's office mentioned their only "obstacle" would be Sheldon Silver the Assembly Speaker. It is important for the people of New York to contact Mr. Silver and let him know that this is important legislation for our state in hopes of him putting the Buster Bill on the floor to be voted on before session ends on June 17th. This bill is not only for Buster and Cindy, but for the countless other animals who are tortured and killed for "kicks" or "something fun to do". Sadistically killing animals is a serious matter not only for the animals who suffer but for the human race. Need I mention the name "Jeffrey Dahmer"? Before Mr. Dahmer started slaughtering people, he tortured and killed animals in very cruel and inhumane ways. This was all overlooked as being nothing because they were ONLY ANIMALS! Please, take only a minute or two to write to Sheldon Silver and/or our Governor. Contrary to the belief that lawmakers don't pay attention to the voices of the people - THEY DO! Not only that, but they appreciate feedback from the citizens they represent. Keep in mind - this is also an election year for many of these lawmakers and if they think that passing this bill will gain them popularity - so much the better! Thank you all for your help. Lisa R. Sheldon Silver Assembly Speaker 932 Legislative Office Building Albany, NY 12248 -or- email: silver@assembly.state.ny.us Governor George E. Pataki Executive Chamber The Capitol Albany, NY 12223 -or- email: gov.pataki@chamber.state.ny.us Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, May 31, 1998 at 22:18:17 (EDT) Poster: Brian stanleynlucy@globalserve.net To: Everyone Subject: Cindy- death not in vain Message: The life of Cindy was short and brought to a painful end by some sick pathetic loser.But her suffering will be remembered .This defenceless kitten has become another unfortunate symbol of why the whole world should re-evaluate the way we view non human life.I would like to thank Shane for this web page and genevive for her blunt emotion.Thank you Cari for bringing the Texas story to my attention. Everyone should read her ,"another horrible...." A story that needs to be brought to more peoples attention.Alone I feel I can do very little.ie-sign afew petitions, volunteer cleaning cagges at a no-kill shelter once a week ,but knowing if we all do a little, anything,Eventually we can make a difference .Animal welfare is not a fanatical cause but it is a moral and valid one.For good reading I recimend"the souls of animals" by Gary Kowalski.R.I.P. Cindy...I promise to help seek justice for you ......Seeyou all at the bridge.... Bri Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, May 27, 1998 at 08:22:40 (EDT) Poster: Shane G. Sutliff sgsutlif@mailbox.syr.edu To: Everyone Subject: Announcement Message: Announcement : Even though this page and its purpose of being for Cindy related subject matter only, I am going to make an exception and make the following infor- mation available to everyone. Pat Barnett, a very involved person with Cindy and the cause of animal crueltly had a sadness happen to her and her family on Monday, 5/25/98. Her mother suffered a heart attack and unfortunately died on Monday. So as Pat has been so involved with Cindy and being a friend to so many of us animal lovers, I wanted everyone to know the sad news. Calling hours for Pat's mother, Elizabeth Bianco "Libby" Barnett, 88, of Liverpool will be today, Wed, May 27, 1998 from 4pm to 8pm at Maurer Funeral Home, 300 Second Street, Liverpool. Services will be Thursday, May 28, 1998 at 9:15am at Maurer Funeral Home, and at 10am at Immaculate Heart Of Mary Church, 425 Beechwood Avenue, Liverpool. Burial will be at Resurrection Mausoleum, St. Mary's Cemetery, Dewitt. Contributions can be made to The American Heart Association. On behalf of all of us, I wish to extend our deepest sympathies to Pat Barnett and her family on the loss of her mother. Shane G. Sutliff Syracuse, NY Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, May 22, 1998 at 23:45:55 (EDT) Poster: Shane G. Sutliff sgsutlif@mailbox.syr.edu To: Everyone Subject: Cindy's Web Page New Address Message: Hello Everyone- As of this evening, Cindy's Web Page has officially moved. As mentioned previously this transfer was going to take place, and has been accomplished this evening. The new address/URL is : http://web.syr.edu/~sgsutlif This new address is for the Syracuse & CNY Animal Cruelty Cases Home Site. A Link has been added from here to the new Cindy Page address. Please make a note of it. Soon, a forwarding address/note will be added on the old address/URL that will list the change and route people to the new address. Cindy's page will look exactly the same at her new address for the time being until I do some HTML coding training, and then I will start adding long overdue updates soon after that. I hope that within the next two to three weeks to add a new home page to cover the general subject of animal cruelty cases here in the greater Syracuse area and surrounding Central New York Communities. Cindy's page will remain intact as it is now, the only change being that her original home page will be changed to a link to page from the new home page. I am very happy to be responsible for this web page. I will welcome any comments, feedback, and suggestions from people about Cindy's page. This is our web page. And its continued success will come in part from you folks, the animal lovers of Syracuse. Here's To Cindy And The New Era Of Her Web Page....... Shane G. Sutliff Syracuse, NY Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, May 21, 1998 at 23:38:34 (EDT) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Web Page is definitely moving Message: The esteemed Shane Sutliff has agreed to take over the running of the page. The change should occur during the next week or so. He plans to expand the Cindy page into a page which deals with all animal abuse cases in the Syracuse area. He has total access to all Cindy files and Pilot and I do plan on continuing to be involved with the new page. Thanks to everyone for your patience. Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, May 20, 1998 at 10:54:27 (EDT) Poster: Lisa To: Everyone Subject: BUSTER BILL UPDATES Message: I've been in touch with Jim Tedisco's office to keep up with the latest on the BUSTER BILL. Monday, May 11th the Buster Bill passed in the Ag & Markets Committee and is now in the Codes Committee due to the Finance Law provision. After that it will go to the floor of the Assembly. Mr. Tedisco's office managed to collect over 117,000 signatures in support of the Buster Bill. This is an astonishing amount for a petition drive! If you would like to see this through, Mr. Tedisco's office advised that letters to the Assembly Speaker would help immensely. You may write to him at: Sheldon Silver Assembly Speaker 932 Legislative Office Building Albany, NY 12248 Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, May 17, 1998 at 23:54:16 (EDT) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Web Page Move Message: Just wanted to let everyone know that we have found a place and a person to take over the web page. I am hoping that the move will take place this week some time. The page will be expanded to include recent instances as well as whatever legislative movement we can report. Thanks to all for your patience. Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, May 14, 1998 at 12:58:37 (EDT) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Web page/New cruelty cases Message: Last night the news reported three new cruelty cases--two in the city of Syracuse and one in Oswego County. It looks like Pilot's illness is going to last a while and we are feeling pretty overwhelmed with it. I am hoping perhaps some person will read this who knows how to do the HTML coding necessary to put up and maintain a web page. We are looking into servers who would host the page as our available space is quite small. I would appreciate it if anyone who could and would like to help with this could write to me. Thanks all!!! Return to Index |
| Date: Mon, May 11, 1998 at 19:10:03 (EDT) Poster: Cat-Fish susan@gfsi.com To: Joan Subject: Re: Apologies Your Message Page Message: Hello Joan! I just discovered this this page for Cindy, the sadly departed burned kitten. I guess you get upset when you get messages like the ones from Magpie and Al. I sure can understand how they are feeling, but it certainly doesn't help the plight of our animal cause with the kind of dialogue they insist on using. All we end up doing is alienating those whom we are trying to win over to our cause. It is a very difficult and heartbreaking endeavor. Only the strongest of heart will succeed. I don't know about you, but there are few moments in my life anymore that are truly joy-filled. It is hard to disassociated yourself from the pain one feels thinking about the terror and horrible pain and suffering these defenseless creatures suffer at man's hands. My true joys are my own precious animals. I want so much for all creatures to enjoy the kind of love, compassion and respect that they receive. It hurts me deeply that mankind is so horribly cruel, but in reality, cruelty as a response to their behavior will never help to end the violence cycle. It only adds to it, unfortunately! I fight horrible sensations of rage, wanting to lash out at these despicable excuses for human beings, but it's not the answer. I applaud your efforts to get this point across and I thank you for providing this forum to let people voice their opinions. My very best and kind wishes to you! Cat-Fish. Return to Index |
| Date: Mon, May 11, 1998 at 15:34:00 (EDT) Poster: Cat-Fish To: magpie Subject: Re: cruelty to animals Re: cruelty to animals Message: What sort of sick, perverted, twisted thing is this boy who 'supposedly' burned this poor kitten. I say supposedly, because like all attorney vermin of Syracuse, they must attest that their client is innocent. And I'm sure legal aid is picking up the tab. Shit like this happens because we have gotten rid of corporal punishment (obviously the parents are idiots 100% in capable of teaching their patetic offspring the difference between right and wrong) First it was the goose in Manliness, now a poor kitten in Sad-excuse. Is there something in the water? (sorry, I try to laugh in the face of tragedy) Solution--start fixing people like pets--so they don't breed. My sympathies go out to all animal lovers, and I support the Buster bill (because my cat is named that too and if anything like that happened to my pet, I'm afraid an eye for an eye would be my method, not any goofy legal system) Anyway, this accused person needs to put chucked in juvy hall, and not end up only serving community service. Some Animals matter more than people. MP. Dear Magpie! I just discovered this message board. I struggle with wanting to mete out the same kind of punishment (reflecting the exact nature of the crime) to the perpetrators of these hideous crimes agains innocent animals. What is so frustrating is the attitudes of still too large a segment of our population--that animals are just that--animals! To them it's not a serious thing to set a defenseless kitten on fire. It's nothing but a "boys will be boys" stage of growth to beat defenseless cats to death with baseball bats. It's "cool" to video-tape yourself beating, torturing and burning a tiny dog to death! My reaction is "where in God's name are we heading as a society?" If we continue to tolerate theses acts of sadistic violence and show reluctance to really punish these vicious juveniles, then we are in store for some rather frightening experiences ourselves further down the road! Just wait till these "little" boys grow into big, strong men! Why the average person can't see this is beyond me! I reverence all life (human and animal). Although lately, I find it extremely difficult to have any compassion whatsoever for the likes of young men like Chad Lamansky and Daniel Myers--the infamous hey! hey! Ioway "cat killers." All we can do is continue to stand up for the animals. No matter how horrific the crime, not matter how unjust their justice--we simply cannot ever give up our crusade to help those who cannot speak for themselves. Good luck in your efforts! Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, May 08, 1998 at 12:48:09 (EDT) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Apologies Message: I want to apologize to everyone for our now being timely in updating with new info for this page. Pilot (who does the actual work on putting new stuff up, etc.) has been very ill. We will resume updates as soon as possible. Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 22:58:55 (EDT) Poster: bs323 bs323@aol.com To: Everyone Subject: domestic violence and police Message: Hello, I am writing my master thesis on how police handle domestic violence. I am a police officer and would like your imput. What improvements would you like to see in how police handle domestic violence. I am most grateful for your responses. Return to Index |
| Date: Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 15:12:48 (EDT) Poster: Shane G. Sutliff sgsutlif@mailbox.syr.edu To: Everyone Subject: Thank You Cindy !!! Message: I would like to thank Cindy for all she has done for me as far as in meeting new people, from her funeral and calling hours to her web page. I have met some really super people since February who have become my friends. This is a real joy for me because I have been in need of meeting healthy people, and as a result of Cindy, that has happened in my life. Cindy's death was indeed a tragedy, and did not have to happen. But it did, and I have tried to take this devastating death and situation, and turn it into a positive thing not only for myself, but others as well. I am of the very firm belief that Cindy did not die in vein. Her death brought many people together and as a result new friends have been made, new bonds between people set, and a continuing effort to change the laws of animal cruelty by people, and the increased awareness of animal cruelty have been brought forth to the public. Here's just one example of the super people I have met because of Cindy. A person who lives in Fulton drove all the way to Syracuse on this past,Saturday, 4/18/98, to attend a flute recital I gave, and we had never met in person, just corresponded via email, and when I sent her a wire to come to my recital, she did !! Now that is in my opinion a pretty special person !!! And none of this would have happened if it weren't for Cindy!! So thus, I thank Cindy for all she has done for me. I thank her for her love she has given my- self and others, and most of all, I tell her my thanks when I go to visit her at Pet Haven Cemetery. Thank You Cindy for everything you have done for me !!! Shane G. Sutliff Syracuse, NY Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Apr 14, 1998 at 08:47:49 (EDT) Poster: Kathy To: Everyone Subject: ATTENTION SPRING CLEANERS Message: The SPCA, is in need of old blankets, towels, rugs, etc. to line the animal cages with. If anyone is cleaning out linen closets(like I did!) they would be most grateful for your donation. Their address is 5878 E. Malloy Rd in Mattydale, or give them a call on 454-4479. Thanks to all! Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Apr 08, 1998 at 12:53:07 (EDT) Poster: Allie R To: Shane G. Sutliff Subject: Re: Cindy's Headstone Is In Place Re: Cindy's Headstone Is In Place Message: Shane It is so heart-wrenching to think of what that little kitten had to endure. But you are right that she did not die in vein...I think she really opened a lot of eyes and brought attention to the problem of animal cruelty. Cindy deserves a beautiful resting place, and I'm glad she has it. Thank you Shane for the update... Allie Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Apr 08, 1998 at 08:35:34 (EDT) Poster: Shane G. Sutliff sgsutlif@mailbox.syr.edu To: Everyone Subject: Cindy's Headstone Is In Place Message: Hello Everyone- Cindy's Headstone is now in place at her grave in Pet Haven Cemetery,Syracuse. It was completed and put in place there on Monday, April 6,1998. The headstone reads In Loving Memory Of "Cindy", and underneath that is a list of the donors to Cindy's Fund. I visited her grave yesterday, and I was very happy to have seen her stone. There were beauty flower arrangements on her plot, and with the gorgoeus sunny day we had, Cindy's plot looked so beautiful, peaceful and serene. Upon leaving Cindy's grave yesterday, I felt a complete feeling of serenity, and I kept feeling that Cindy did not die in vein. Her life continues on these days in a spiritual form, and her message of love to the people of Central New York will continue to teach us that although there is a lot of bad things in today's world, there is still a lot of good in this planet today. Cindy shows us the good, and for that I am thankful. I hope you can visit Cindy's grave at Pet Haven Cemetery. You will be glad you did. Sincerely, Shane G. Sutliff Syracuse, NY Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, Apr 05, 1998 at 00:30:43 (EST) Poster: Genevieve lkelly@flash.net To: Everyone Subject: Cindy didn't have a chance. Message: This is a terrible story!! I hope whoever did this sits in hell for the rest of their life!! Whoever did this can't possibly be human. We, as poeple have to save the ones who can't save themselves!!! Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, Apr 05, 1998 at 00:30:17 (EST) Poster: Genevieve lkelly@flash.net To: Everyone Subject: Cindy didn't have a chance. Message: This is a terrible story!! I hope whoever did this sits in hell for the rest of their life!! Whoever did this can't possibly be human. We, as poeple have to save the ones who can't save themselves!!! Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 13:45:01 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: System Problems Message: I just want to let everyone know that our computer is going down for unavoidable servicing so we may be unable to update for as much as four days. There is a hearing this Friday for the young man accused. We will update as soon as we can but this may not be as timely as we would like it to be. Thanks for being patient. : ) Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, Mar 29, 1998 at 16:15:25 (EST) Poster: Jess jessica@igs.net To: Everyone Subject: I cannot believe this. Message: Today, I have read about 5 stories about animal cruelty. I absolutely hate people that do that. I am sick. I cried when I read about Cindy. Did anyone read about the dog that two boys, 11 and 13 butchered? :( Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, Mar 29, 1998 at 14:02:20 (EST) Poster: Pilot ftowers@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Deleted message Message: For anyone who has seen the message dealing with Israel and Hitler, (including the author) who is wondering why it was deleted. It had absolutely nothing to do with Cindy, or animal welfare. As for the blurb about freedom of information on the web, as this is a private board, we do not have to allow any messages that do not fit under this stated forum. Any questions, write me privately, not on the board. Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, Mar 26, 1998 at 21:36:16 (EST) Poster: Tenley TDavid6314 To: Cari Subject: Re: ANOTHER horrible case! Re: ANOTHER horrible case! Message: What the hell is wrong with kids today.... I just turned 18 a couple of weeks ago, but I felt like it wasn't anything at all..... I have been older then that for years now.... Society today is so pathetic... kids shooting others and killing at school, kids comitting other crimes, kids with drugs, and now kids with abuse...... do they think its the cool thing to do????? Torture innocent animals who have done nothing wrong and cannot in anyway defend themselves, especially since they never deserve it........ God, I hate the fact the my generation is like that... it makes me sooooooo sick......... Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, Mar 26, 1998 at 00:46:43 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Re: Legislative Bills Re: Legislative Bills Message: My deepest apologies to all--I've been fighting several illnesses for the past month and have gotten behind on my work. The writing is done for the legislative stuff. Pilot do the HTML coding and upload it all tommorrow. My apologies again. Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 19:21:50 (EST) Poster: Joan To: Allie Subject: Re: Re: INJURED, ABANDONDED CAT Re: ALLI--IMPORTANT!!! Message: ALLIE--CALL ME ASAP!!!!!!!! WE HAVE LOCATED A HOME FOR LENNY BUT I NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT!!!!! JOAN Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 02:16:36 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Legislative Bills Message: There will be a copy of Assemblyman Tedisco's bill as well as some other information regarding Legislative action put up tommorrow late afternoon. Please feel free to print out copies of the petition and get them signed. The cut-off date is April 30th (at Me. Tediso's request. Thanks Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Mar 24, 1998 at 03:30:23 (EST) Poster: C J stforjewel@aol.com To: Cari Subject: Re: Re: Re: Court date? Updates? Re: Court date? Updates? Message: You didn't offend me and I for one am tired of people apologizing for their very righteous and very appropriate anger. It is NOT wrong to feel angry, especially about a vicious incident such as this. I just wish all this righteous anger would be channeled into changing the system instead of apologizing. Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Mar 24, 1998 at 00:03:06 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Allie R. Subject: Re: INJURED, ABANDONDED CAT ALLI--IMPORTANT!!! Message: PLEASE write to me at my e-mail address so that I can have yours. I may have a lead or two. Joan pijo@localnet.com Return to Index |
| Date: Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 08:40:58 (EST) Poster: Allie R. To: ATTN: JOAN Subject: INJURED, ABANDONDED CAT Message: Hi Joan...I have been reading this board since the case stated with Cindy, and you seem to be in charge of it all. I am hoping that you can give me some advise. There has been a BEAUTIFUL orange male cat, about a year 1/2 old, coming to my door since December. He is very friendly, but I thought it very odd that he be out all the time, and in some very inclement weather. I gave him some food, which he gobbled up like he was starving. Well, this has been going on ever since. Except now, I know this cat has been abandoned, because he is in need of some serious medical treatment. He has had terrible wounds on him, some have healed on their own, some are fresh. It is obvious to me that nature has healed these wounds, and not human attention. I know when he was a kitten that he did belong to someone because he wore a blue collar, and he was about the same size as my oldest cat, who is now a year and 1/2. But the collar is now gone, and I have asked people in the neighborhood, and no one seems to know anything about this cat. Of course, now, I feel responsible for him, as I know we are his only source of food. I can't adopt him because I have 2 of my own in a small apartment. I am willing to take this cat to my vet for treatment, but twice my husband tried to catch him, and twice he didn't succeed. The cat is VERY affectionate...rubbing my husband's leg, purring, but was not cooperative when he tried to put him in the cat carrier. We don't want to risk a bite or a scratch, because I have no idea what he has been fighting with, and with the rabies epidemic, I don't want to take any chances. The SPCA does not pick up cats, plus, I don't want him to be put to sleep. He seems to have fought so hard for his life, I don't want to bring him some place where they will end it. I called the Humane Assoc, and they have no cages. If anything happens to this cat, I am going to feel responsible. I know it must seem I'm asking for a miracle, but do you know of any organization who will pick up an abandonded cat, and/or, do you have any ideas on a way my husband can "catch" him without risking a bite or scratch? I can't go on feeding him forever...I'd like to put him in a loving home. I don't have a computer at home, I just use one that we have at work, that's why I can't email you directly because we are not permitted to use email. I know it is a long shot, but I thought I would ask, because you seem to care a great deal. Thank you for your time, and thank you for making this forum available. Allie R. Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, Mar 22, 1998 at 04:11:51 (EST) Poster: Cari skyblew@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: ANOTHER horrible case! Message: I wanted to post this to the board as it's about another horrible abuse case that appears to be gang-related. The organization has asked for help in the form of calls and letters. It appears that the teens charged in this case will receive ZERO sentence of any kind in this case! Please, if you have a moment, make a call or send a note to one of the officials listed in the post to protest this! For Cindy and all the others, Cari Gehl -----------start forwarded post-------------- [NOTE: Please respond to Denise Porter directly at Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 06:55:02 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Buster Bill Message: My apologies, first off, to those who got my private letter twice. It is hard to remember who got and who didn't when there are over 100 to send. Anyone who did not get one was left off because I was certain you did not live in this state. If you want to see a sample letter written by Jim Tedesco (the sponsor of the bill) as well as addressed of the "big-wigs" in Albany, check the link from the Cindy page. Remember that the cut-off date is April 30th. Thanks all for the support/ Joan Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 09:48:10 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Buster Bill Petitions Message: I have access to petitions on the Buster bill if anyone in Syracuse is interested in getting one to have people sign. Please contact me at my e-mail addy if interested. Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Mar 17, 1998 at 13:17:37 (EST) Poster: David To: Joan Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: cruelty to animals Re: Magpie & Al's Responsed Message: Joan...I think you are being a bit too hard on everyone. Each person is entitled to his/her own opinion, and I admit, some of them are a little out of hand, but I think that is because this is a subject very dear to many of our hearts. So often these perpertrators get a slap on the wrist, and people are sick and tired of it. As stated many times on this forum, we need to take action. I have written to Assemblyman James Tedisco regarding the Buster Bill, and urge all to do so. I agree with Al on his "freedom of speech" here in the forum, but I think Magpie went a bit too far with the sterilization. Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Mar 17, 1998 at 11:48:53 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Al Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: cruelty to animals Re: Magpie's opinion Message: I have certainly heard of freedom of speech. But I have also heard of (and believe deeply) in responsiblility in for one's speech, something which, given your lack of an e-mail address is perhaps something you don't agree with. But beyond that let me say that this forum was origianlly intended for REASONED discussion by animal lovers. How can we expect to convince those who don't believe in the rights of animals if we can't even talk civilly to each other? Additionally, I will say to you what I have never before felt the need to say. The Cindy page and this forum exist because two people put it up on our web space which we pay for. I don't ask for thanks, only civility. If you, Al wish to exercise your free speech how about coming out from behing your wall and giving your address next time? If you look you will find that every post I've made has contained my e-mail address and it will continue to be so. The ANIMALS are the reason for this web page. I will take this board down if people refuse to honor that fact. Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Mar 17, 1998 at 09:46:19 (EST) Poster: Al To: Joan Subject: Re: Re: Re: cruelty to animals Magpie's opinion Message: Take down the forum?? Have you ever heard of Freedom of Speech Joan? Can only the people who agree with YOU express their opinions, and others like Magpie (who I agree with) cannot??? Return to Index |
| Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 09:53:59 (EST) Poster: kristin kristinj@aspca.org To: Everyone Subject: social darwinism Message: fyi-The name of the woman was carrie buck and the case went all the way to the Supreme Court in Buck v. Bell. Judge Frankfurter wrote that "three generations of imbeciles is enough," and agreed that sterilization was proper. Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 21:26:47 (EST) Poster: Catherine To: everyone Subject: Re: Re: cruelty to animals Re: cruelty to animals Message: For anyone who is interested in looking at this country's experiments with Social Darwinism please go to the library and look up the name of a woman named Callie Buck. She was sterilized in the 1920's by permission of the US supreme court. Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 21:12:17 (EST) Poster: Catherine To: magpie Subject: Re: cruelty to animals Re: cruelty to animals Message: Well, Magpie, it would seem that you espouse the tenents of Social Darwinism, although you may not know it. This puts you in league with such luminaries as Hitler, Stalin, Mengele, and Eichmann to name a few. Is it your position that the poor do not know enough to care for their children properly and that by not caring for them properly they thereby ought to lose their right to childbearing? This was practiced also in this country in the 1920's and the man whose theories brought about this practice was given an award by the Reich. Secondly, would you rescind the bill of rights and NOT guarentee counsel to those accused of crimes? Shall we go the way of 18th century England and publicly flogging, hanging, dragging behind a horse and then (mercifully) drawing and quartering our miscreants? An eye for an eye, despite many who take it at face value means NO MORE than an eye for an eye as the custom in that region at that time was to cut off a hand for stealing a loaf of bread. As for your spelling dificulty, as well as your apparent lack of knowledge of the disposition of the Manlius swan case, the boys involved in that (and they were boys--not even young men) were sentenced to heavy duty therapy--one was even sent away for a minimum of two years to a psychiatric hospital. Please do get your facts straight. Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 20:28:47 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Magpie Subject: Re: Re: cruelty to animals Re: cruelty to animals Message: If this message board continues to be a place for people who have opinions without knowledge to vent their rage at what they don't like, we will have to take it down. This is in no way what we intended this forum to be. Polite conversation is fine, but I have seen (and been the victim of) one too many flames. If we say we love life then it behooves us to treat all life (including people) with respect. How are you any better than whoever killed Cindy, Magpie, when you continue to spout off your messages? Hate is hate, no matter how you look at it. Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 20:23:27 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: magpie Subject: Re: cruelty to animals Re: cruelty to animals Message: Just out of curiosity, has it ocurred to you that this young man might, just might be innocent? In our country we have something called "innocent til proven guilty". I believe that the time I and my sig. other have taken in this case show where my heart is. I truly feel insulted that many of the folks writing in response to my notes have found it necessary to flame me. I don't care about whether you want to jump to conclusions without facts (which I admittedly also don't have) but I am real tired of getting flamed for trying to disseminate information--as well as trying to tell you all that your tactics are not only not working but are working against justice being served. Why can you not think before you write???????? Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 19:51:20 (EST) Poster: magpie glrdemetz@aol.com To: Everyone Subject: cruelty to animals Message: What sort of sick, perverted, twisted thing is this boy who "supposedly" burned this poor kitten. I say supposedly, because like all attorney vermin of Syracuse, they must attest that their client is innocent. And I'm sure legal aid is picking up the tab. Shit like this happens because we have gotten rid of corporal punishment (obviously the parents are idiots 100% in capable of teaching their patetic offspring the difference between right and wrong) First it was the goose in Manliness, now a poor kitten in Sad-excuse. Is there something in the water? (sorry, I try to laugh in the face of tragedy) Solution--start fixing people like pets--so they don't breed. My sympathies go out to all animal lovers, and I support the Buster bill (because my cat is named that too and if anything like that happened to my pet, I'm afraid an eye for an eye would be my method, not any goofy legal system) Anyway, this accused person needs to put chucked in juvy hall, and not end up only serving community service. Some Animals matter more than people. MP. Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 03:00:43 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Phone calls to lawyers and judges Message: OK folks, here's another post likely to get me into trouble. I want to ask everyone to please stop phoning the DA and Judge about this case. There are some very real concerns about whether this young man is even the one who killed Cindy. As for those who are trying to find out who he is, it is New York State law that the names of Juveniles involved in family court are NEVER released publicly. We will not ever know his name and all the calls in the world will not change that fact. I am appalled at the lack of concern for life which seems to have taken over our thoughts and feelings in this case. A cat was killed. How many more lives get ruined? Please just think about this. I put up this web site as a place for people to air their concern. Instead it seems like flame after flame after flame. Let us be reasonable people and act with the idea that the folks who are writing in this forum are all well meaning people. There will be an update published at some point tommorrow based on the newspaper article which ran in this evening's paper. Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Mar 10, 1998 at 22:20:43 (EST) Poster: ShugVochko@aol.com To: Anyone and Everyone Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Posted messages Re: TO BARBARA Message: Good for you I'm glad to see that people are finally getting tired of crying in their beer and getting off their duff and doing something. One letter from you will do no good, however Lisa seems to have the better idea and I will gladly sign any petition along these lines. Do you think that your legislator cares about one letter from you? Hardly. You need a little clout, and many, many names on a paper just might do it. Your hearts in the right place though. Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Mar 10, 1998 at 14:17:05 (EST) Poster: Lisa R cayopr@relex.com To: Everyone Subject: The Buster Bill Message: Re: A8856 (Buster Bill) The Buster Bill was written by Assemblyman James Tedisco of Schenectady, NY. A similar case to Cindy's happened to a family's cat in Schenectady. A 16 year old saw his neighbor's cat "Buster", grabbed him, drenched him in a flammable material, and set him on fire. Buster lived in agony for three weeks and eventually died. This bill would upgrade any act of animal cruelty from a misdemeanor to a Class E Felony for first offenses, and a Class D Felony for subsequent offenses. It provides for a psychiatric evaluation, treatment, and follow ups and it also provides for attendance and completion of a community service program at an animal shelter. It also sets up an animal abuse prevention fund half of which the fines imposed would be donated to. This bill also empowers the criminal justice system to track youthful offenders who commit such crimes after the age when such record would normally be sealed. This is very important legislation to our state. It is something that we, the people, can do as a first step to arresting this incredibly inhuman act of animal abuse. Not only for the trusting animals that share this planet with us, but studies have shown that persons who intentionally kill, torture, or maim an animal is a person who has the potential to commit similar crimes against human beings. I have started a petition collecting signatures and support for the Buster Bill in my area. The support for this bill is tremendous! If you would like to support this bill, you may email me your support at cayopr@relex.com and I will add your email to my growing list of signatures supporting this bill. Or, you can write directly to Assemblyman James Tedisco at 114 Broadway, Schenectady, NY 12305. Or call his office at (518) 370-2862. I know that we as a group of people and one voice against this despicable act can come together and get this legislation passed. Lisa R. >^..^< Return to Index |
| Date: Mon, Mar 09, 1998 at 22:05:55 (EST) Poster: sylvia schen@redsuspenders.com To: shirley Subject: Re: Cindy Re: legislation Message: A similar situation like Cindy's occurred in Schenectady, NY to a cat named Buster. Assemblyman Jim Tedisco of Schenectady has introduced a bill in the NYS Assembly changing acts of cruelty to animals from a misdemeanor to a felony. The bill also requires psychiatric evaluation for those who commit such cruel acts. Studies show that children who commit these acts grow up to commit worse acts against human beings. Peititions are being circulated in support of the 'Buster Bill'. You can request more details and a petition by contacting Assemblyman Tedisco's office at (518) 370-2812 or writing to 114 Broadway, Schenectady, NY 12305. Your help is needed and appreciated to stop abuse against innocent animals. Thanks! Shirley I got a copy of the bill from my assemblyman's office. It looks good. Assigns intentional acts of cruelty as a class E felony. A second violation within 20 years is a class D felony. The question I have right now is what is meant by "notwithstanding any inconsistent provision of the family court act" where it states that youthful offenders won't be sealed or otherwise protected from disclosure. I have asked my assemblyman's office for some clarification. This bill is currently in committee, both the Senate's and the Assembly's. There will be no vote until it is moved out of committee. People may want to contact a member of the committee and ask them to help move it to the floor of the Senate or Assembly. Members of the Senate Ag Committee are: Kuhl (Chair), Cook, LaValle, Present, Seward, Wright, Hoffmann (Ranking Minority Member), Stachowski, Waldon, Santiago. Members of the Assembly Ag Committee are: Parment (Chair), Pillittere, Tonko, Lunster, Magee, Keane, Gunther, McEneny, Rivera, Towns, Pheffer, Destito, Klein, Smith, Englebright, Crouch (Ranking Minority Member), F.T.Sullivan, Fessenden, Oaks, Boyle, Thiele. Hope I spellled everyone's name right! Everyone might also want to ask their representative to co-sponsor the bill. Return to Index |
| Date: Mon, Mar 09, 1998 at 08:22:15 (EST) Poster: Anyone and Everyone To: Barbara Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Posted messages TO BARBARA Message: I DID write to MY legislators...how about YOU? Did YOU write to YOUR legislators, or are YOU just spouting off on a bulletin board????????? Return to Index |
| Date: Mon, Mar 09, 1998 at 00:21:37 (EST) Poster: Cari skyblew@hotmail.com To: Joan Subject: Re: Re: Court date? Updates? Re: Court date? Updates? Message: The reason for no updates is that there has been no new information. This young man is being tried as a juvenile and under NYS law his name cannot be released. I could not even go to sit in on his court appearance without specific permission from both him and the judge. We do know that his court date is this week. None of this is my opinion folks, just the facts of life in NYS. We will gladly update as we get more information. Thanks Joan - I was wondering why there wasn't more info posted but that explains it. I suppose at this point it is too late to write to the judge anyways if his court date is this week. Please let us know how things come out! P.S. Sorry to sound so angry in my last post, I didn't mean to direct it at anyone here. I'm just so tired of seeing offenders like this get away with little or no sentence. I guess the Noah's Ark case was the last straw for me - I was just sick about how that came out. I'm just afraid this is going to be another one of those deals. I hope I didn't offend anyone, if I did - I apologize! Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 23:42:37 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Re: Court date? Updates? Re: Court date? Updates? Message: The reason for no updates is that there has been no new information. This young man is being tried as a juvenile and under NYS law his name cannot be released. I could not even go to sit in on his court appearance without specific permission from both him and the judge. We do know that his court date is this week. None of this is my opinion folks, just the facts of life in NYS. We will gladly update as we get more information. Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 22:18:48 (EST) Poster: Cari skyblew@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: Court date? Updates? Message: As someone who has been following this case from out-of-state, I would like to see some more detailed updates on the case. Does anyone have any newspaper articles, press releases from the local SPCA, etc. that they could post and/or forward to me? I would specifically like more information on the upcoming trial, (whether a date has been set, name of the defendant, etc.) and an address to write to the judge. I, for one, would like to do my best to convince the judge to give him the maximum possible sentence for the crime. I also think he should be forced to undergo long-term psychiatric treatment. I am tired to being told that we should have compassion for people like this, who obviously have no compassion for anyone else. Something is very WRONG with this boy and I feel society (animals and people) deserve to be protected from him. That being said, I know that no matter how stiff the sentence, it will never be enough as far as I'm concerned. Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 14:54:22 (EST) Poster: Joan You@alreadyknow.hee hee To: Everyone Subject: Re: Pending legislation Re: Pending legislation Message: Whoops, didn't get the link. It is http://www.spca.org. Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 14:47:44 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Everyone Subject: Pending legislation Message: There are two bills, one in the NYS Assembly and one in the NYS Senate which, if passed, will make an intentional act of cruelty which causes serious physical injury a class E felony. A repeat cruelty offense OF ANY KIND within 5 years would be a class D felony. Assembly bill is A.2268. Senate bill is S.3311. Write your legislators folks--we can make a difference!!! My information comes from the ASPCA, see my link URL for the addy. Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Mar 07, 1998 at 19:53:58 (EST) Poster: Barbara To: Michael Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Posted messages Re: Anyone & Everyone Message: So WRITE to YOUR legislators - not to someone on a bulletin board who has just as much right to express his opinion as you do. In fact, why don't we all get OFF the soapbox and get ON the bandwagon. Discussions (sic) don't accomplish much but salving our consciences! Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, Mar 05, 1998 at 13:51:10 (EST) Poster: Colleen M To: Michael Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Posted messages Re: Anyone & Everyone Message: THANK YOU, MY THOUGHTS COMPLETELY. THERE IS TOO MUCH JUSTIFICATION FOR EVERYTHING. Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, Mar 05, 1998 at 08:34:55 (EST) Poster: Michael To: Doug Subject: Re: Re: Re: Posted messages Anyone & Everyone Message: I have read every posted note with the exception of two that couldn't be retrieved and have come up with a few points to ponder. First of all I'm not a cat person, they're not my bag, however I would not want to see or hear of one being hurt, much less tortured like this little one was. People are letting their emitions run away with them, ie Annie in response to a note posted by Joan Feb 20, 1998. Annie said 'setting a cat on fire not serious? Of course it's serious but not in this legal sense. I believe Joan meant that LEGALLY this 15 yr old has been charged as a juvenile with a MISDEMEANOR, which is legally not as serious a crime as a felony. Not to say that doing this is not a serious crime. Morally, setting an animal on fire is VERY serious. Annie you need to step back and take a few deep breaths. With the prevalent lynch mob mentality about setting this person on fire, etc etc laughing about it etc etc what makes these people any better, MORALLY, than the 15 year old that did this thing? What if he is severely retarded? Do we drag him out of his house and stone him in the streets? You're probably wondering who is this liberal? Believe me I subscribe in 'an eye for an eye' but I value the life of a human more than that of an animal. I mean that in this sense ,if it were a human set on fire would the public response be the same? I think not. Twenty some odd years ago, in Cohoes, N.Y. a woman set her house on fire and killed her 7 children and husband. I heard her say when asked by a neighbor what she was going to do, ' Dosen't matter I'm out of here tomorrow.' She was never charged. I told the P.D. She moved away shortly thereafter. I work in the N.Y.S. prison system and have for 20 years and I know the scumbags that live there so don't cry about how hard prison is. There IS NO SUCH THING as REHABILITATION. It's just a word. This boy is obviously sick and needs the help a psychiatrist can give. If the law dictates he does time so be it, but charge him as an adult or else nothing of any consequence will come of this. A slap on the wrist, bold boy musn't do that. What if this kid turned out to be a son, or a nephew, or a brother? Would those who posted notes feel that way about your monster child/son doing such a thing? Stranger things have happened. The parents are the last to know, if they're even in the picture. Think about it........ Change the laws if you are not happy with the fact that he is being charged with a misdemeanor but be just as quick to stand up for a person who has been wronged. How many of you felt this strongly about Polly Klass when she was taken from her home and murdered? Priorities. By the way we have 3 dogs, a cat, and a rabbit, all rescued from uncertain fates, and I still favor the dogs. Feel free to E-mail me at ShugVochko@aol.com. and yes I've faced death and it's not pleasant by any means so don't talk about it if you ain't been there, done that. The statistical link between animal cruelty and both domestic violence and homicide makes it imperative that these crimes be treated seriously. Look into the past of the beast who murdered Polly Klass, and I'll bet you find animal cruelty there. (And yes, I was outraged by what happened to that beautiful child) So before you start 'throwing stones' at those of us in this forum who are outraged by a crime that is not 'LEGALLY' as serious as a felony, why don't you think about that? Dear Anyone and everyone, It's good that you speak for everyone and anyone.it's easy to yell from the back of the crowd. No one is throwing stones at those outraged by this act but the fact remains that the police authorities have charged this kid with a misdemeanor, which LEGALLY is not as serious as a felony. Find out WHO specifically charged this person with the misdemeanor and ask HIM , not me. If it were up to me I'd find a felony in the legal codes somewhere. I'd E-mail you but you didn't have the courage to put that in either. Just another one of the lynch mob. Stand up, identify yourself, put some credibility in what you say. Don't yell from the back of the crowd get up front.....and DO SOMETHING. Lead, follow, or get out of the way. Everyone who has a shred of deciency in their body feels terrible about this but the law has to be changed and until it is changed crimes like this will continue to be treated in a like manner. Feel free to E-Mail me at ............ ShugVochko@aol.com I'll be waiting. Wow! Get off your soap box, will you? I agree with "Anyone & Everyone". He/She was pointing out a very important fact about people who commit crimes against animals...they will go on to commit heinous crimes on humans. And we all know that a misdemeanor charge is not LEGALLY as serious as a felony charge...it doesn't take a lawer to figure that out. But just because it's a misdemeanor doesn't make it any less serious. I agree that the laws need to be changed, and until decent citizens start writing their legislatures, nothing will change. Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 16:43:35 (EST) Poster: DougDear Anyone and everyone ShugVochko@aol.com To: Anyone and Everyone Subject: Re: Re: Posted messages Re: Posted messages Message: I have read every posted note with the exception of two that couldn't be retrieved and have come up with a few points to ponder. First of all I'm not a cat person, they're not my bag, however I would not want to see or hear of one being hurt, much less tortured like this little one was. People are letting their emitions run away with them, ie Annie in response to a note posted by Joan Feb 20, 1998. Annie said 'setting a cat on fire not serious? Of course it's serious but not in this legal sense. I believe Joan meant that LEGALLY this 15 yr old has been charged as a juvenile with a MISDEMEANOR, which is legally not as serious a crime as a felony. Not to say that doing this is not a serious crime. Morally, setting an animal on fire is VERY serious. Annie you need to step back and take a few deep breaths. With the prevalent lynch mob mentality about setting this person on fire, etc etc laughing about it etc etc what makes these people any better, MORALLY, than the 15 year old that did this thing? What if he is severely retarded? Do we drag him out of his house and stone him in the streets? You're probably wondering who is this liberal? Believe me I subscribe in 'an eye for an eye' but I value the life of a human more than that of an animal. I mean that in this sense ,if it were a human set on fire would the public response be the same? I think not. Twenty some odd years ago, in Cohoes, N.Y. a woman set her house on fire and killed her 7 children and husband. I heard her say when asked by a neighbor what she was going to do, ' Dosen't matter I'm out of here tomorrow.' She was never charged. I told the P.D. She moved away shortly thereafter. I work in the N.Y.S. prison system and have for 20 years and I know the scumbags that live there so don't cry about how hard prison is. There IS NO SUCH THING as REHABILITATION. It's just a word. This boy is obviously sick and needs the help a psychiatrist can give. If the law dictates he does time so be it, but charge him as an adult or else nothing of any consequence will come of this. A slap on the wrist, bold boy musn't do that. What if this kid turned out to be a son, or a nephew, or a brother? Would those who posted notes feel that way about your monster child/son doing such a thing? Stranger things have happened. The parents are the last to know, if they're even in the picture. Think about it........ Change the laws if you are not happy with the fact that he is being charged with a misdemeanor but be just as quick to stand up for a person who has been wronged. How many of you felt this strongly about Polly Klass when she was taken from her home and murdered? Priorities. By the way we have 3 dogs, a cat, and a rabbit, all rescued from uncertain fates, and I still favor the dogs. Feel free to E-mail me at ShugVochko@aol.com. and yes I've faced death and it's not pleasant by any means so don't talk about it if you ain't been there, done that. The statistical link between animal cruelty and both domestic violence and homicide makes it imperative that these crimes be treated seriously. Look into the past of the beast who murdered Polly Klass, and I'll bet you find animal cruelty there. (And yes, I was outraged by what happened to that beautiful child) So before you start 'throwing stones' at those of us in this forum who are outraged by a crime that is not 'LEGALLY' as serious as a felony, why don't you think about that? Dear Anyone and everyone, It's good that you speak for everyone and anyone.it's easy to yell from the back of the crowd. No one is throwing stones at those outraged by this act but the fact remains that the police authorities have charged this kid with a misdemeanor, which LEGALLY is not as serious as a felony. Find out WHO specifically charged this person with the misdemeanor and ask HIM , not me. If it were up to me I'd find a felony in the legal codes somewhere. I'd E-mail you but you didn't have the courage to put that in either. Just another one of the lynch mob. Stand up, identify yourself, put some credibility in what you say. Don't yell from the back of the crowd get up front.....and DO SOMETHING. Lead, follow, or get out of the way. Everyone who has a shred of deciency in their body feels terrible about this but the law has to be changed and until it is changed crimes like this will continue to be treated in a like manner. Feel free to E-Mail me at ............ ShugVochko@aol.com I'll be waiting. Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 16:26:06 (EST) Poster: Doug To: Barbara Subject: Re: Re: Posted messages Re: I agree, Mr. Roberts, but.. Message: It would be much easier to just 'burn' this kid and be done with it. That way, we can sit back and gloat, knowing that justice prevails and our duty has been done. Otherwise, we might get dirty looking for the reason these incidents happen in the first place. Yes I suppose life would be easier but for whom? We're supposed to be above that and now we're back to trying to change the laws. Michigan has the right idea. Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 12:31:51 (EST) Poster: Barbara To: Doug Roberts Subject: Re: Posted messages Re: I agree, Mr. Roberts, but.. Message: It would be much easier to just "burn" this kid and be done with it. That way, we can sit back and gloat, knowing that justice prevails and our duty has been done. Otherwise, we might get dirty looking for the reason these incidents happen in the first place. Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 09:05:33 (EST) Poster: Anyone and Everyone To: Doug Roberts Subject: Re: Posted messages Re: Posted messages Message: I have read every posted note with the exception of two that couldn't be retrieved and have come up with a few points to ponder. First of all I'm not a cat person, they're not my bag, however I would not want to see or hear of one being hurt, much less tortured like this little one was. People are letting their emitions run away with them, ie Annie in response to a note posted by Joan Feb 20, 1998. Annie said 'setting a cat on fire not serious? Of course it's serious but not in this legal sense. I believe Joan meant that LEGALLY this 15 yr old has been charged as a juvenile with a MISDEMEANOR, which is legally not as serious a crime as a felony. Not to say that doing this is not a serious crime. Morally, setting an animal on fire is VERY serious. Annie you need to step back and take a few deep breaths. With the prevalent lynch mob mentality about setting this person on fire, etc etc laughing about it etc etc what makes these people any better, MORALLY, than the 15 year old that did this thing? What if he is severely retarded? Do we drag him out of his house and stone him in the streets? You're probably wondering who is this liberal? Believe me I subscribe in 'an eye for an eye' but I value the life of a human more than that of an animal. I mean that in this sense ,if it were a human set on fire would the public response be the same? I think not. Twenty some odd years ago, in Cohoes, N.Y. a woman set her house on fire and killed her 7 children and husband. I heard her say when asked by a neighbor what she was going to do, ' Dosen't matter I'm out of here tomorrow.' She was never charged. I told the P.D. She moved away shortly thereafter. I work in the N.Y.S. prison system and have for 20 years and I know the scumbags that live there so don't cry about how hard prison is. There IS NO SUCH THING as REHABILITATION. It's just a word. This boy is obviously sick and needs the help a psychiatrist can give. If the law dictates he does time so be it, but charge him as an adult or else nothing of any consequence will come of this. A slap on the wrist, bold boy musn't do that. What if this kid turned out to be a son, or a nephew, or a brother? Would those who posted notes feel that way about your monster child/son doing such a thing? Stranger things have happened. The parents are the last to know, if they're even in the picture. Think about it........ Change the laws if you are not happy with the fact that he is being charged with a misdemeanor but be just as quick to stand up for a person who has been wronged. How many of you felt this strongly about Polly Klass when she was taken from her home and murdered? Priorities. By the way we have 3 dogs, a cat, and a rabbit, all rescued from uncertain fates, and I still favor the dogs. Feel free to E-mail me at ShugVochko@aol.com. and yes I've faced death and it's not pleasant by any means so don't talk about it if you ain't been there, done that. The statistical link between animal cruelty and both domestic violence and homicide makes it imperative that these crimes be treated seriously. Look into the past of the beast who murdered Polly Klass, and I'll bet you find animal cruelty there. (And yes, I was outraged by what happened to that beautiful child) So before you start "throwing stones" at those of us in this forum who are outraged by a crime that is not "LEGALLY" as serious as a felony, why don't you think about that? Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 00:06:47 (EST) Poster: Doug Roberts ShugVochko@aol.com To: Everyone Subject: Posted messages Message: I have read every posted note with the exception of two that couldn't be retrieved and have come up with a few points to ponder. First of all I'm not a cat person, they're not my bag, however I would not want to see or hear of one being hurt, much less tortured like this little one was. People are letting their emitions run away with them, ie Annie in response to a note posted by Joan Feb 20, 1998. Annie said "setting a cat on fire not serious? Of course it's serious but not in this legal sense. I believe Joan meant that LEGALLY this 15 yr old has been charged as a juvenile with a MISDEMEANOR, which is legally not as serious a crime as a felony. Not to say that doing this is not a serious crime. Morally, setting an animal on fire is VERY serious. Annie you need to step back and take a few deep breaths. With the prevalent lynch mob mentality about setting this person on fire, etc etc laughing about it etc etc what makes these people any better, MORALLY, than the 15 year old that did this thing? What if he is severely retarded? Do we drag him out of his house and stone him in the streets? You're probably wondering who is this liberal? Believe me I subscribe in "an eye for an eye" but I value the life of a human more than that of an animal. I mean that in this sense ,if it were a human set on fire would the public response be the same? I think not. Twenty some odd years ago, in Cohoes, N.Y. a woman set her house on fire and killed her 7 children and husband. I heard her say when asked by a neighbor what she was going to do, " Dosen't matter I'm out of here tomorrow." She was never charged. I told the P.D. She moved away shortly thereafter. I work in the N.Y.S. prison system and have for 20 years and I know the scumbags that live there so don't cry about how hard prison is. There IS NO SUCH THING as REHABILITATION. It's just a word. This boy is obviously sick and needs the help a psychiatrist can give. If the law dictates he does time so be it, but charge him as an adult or else nothing of any consequence will come of this. A slap on the wrist, bold boy musn't do that. What if this kid turned out to be a son, or a nephew, or a brother? Would those who posted notes feel that way about your monster child/son doing such a thing? Stranger things have happened. The parents are the last to know, if they're even in the picture. Think about it........ Change the laws if you are not happy with the fact that he is being charged with a misdemeanor but be just as quick to stand up for a person who has been wronged. How many of you felt this strongly about Polly Klass when she was taken from her home and murdered? Priorities. By the way we have 3 dogs, a cat, and a rabbit, all rescued from uncertain fates, and I still favor the dogs. Feel free to E-mail me at ShugVochko@aol.com. and yes I've faced death and it's not pleasant by any means so don't talk about it if you ain't been there, done that. Return to Index |
| Date: Sun, Mar 01, 1998 at 02:54:57 (EST) Poster: madlyn madlyn@cheerful.com To: Everyone Subject: Scruffy's Story..Set on fire also Message: Scruffy was tortured and set on fire by four men! He was just a tiny guy, a 6lb., 12 year old Yorkie! Please visit this site and sign online letters to both the judge and the prosecutor in this case! If you could link and spread the word that would be a tremendous help, we need all of the support we can get. Madlyn Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Feb 28, 1998 at 07:50:45 (EST) Poster: Catfish To: Colleen M. Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Joan's post Re: Joan's post Message: No, I just stabbed a neighbor girl to death. Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Feb 28, 1998 at 07:48:35 (EST) Poster: Catfish To: Cathy Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Joan's post Re: Joan's post Message: Do you kill abortion clinic employees in order to "save" lives?? Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Feb 28, 1998 at 01:45:42 (EST) Poster: shirley jdemrt1atnycap.rr.com To: Everyone Subject: Cindy Message: A similar situation like Cindy's occurred in Schenectady, NY to a cat named Buster. Assemblyman Jim Tedisco of Schenectady has introduced a bill in the NYS Assembly changing acts of cruelty to animals from a misdemeanor to a felony. The bill also requires psychiatric evaluation for those who commit such cruel acts. Studies show that children who commit these acts grow up to commit worse acts against human beings. Peititions are being circulated in support of the "Buster Bill". You can request more details and a petition by contacting Assemblyman Tedisco's office at (518) 370-2812 or writing to 114 Broadway, Schenectady, NY 12305. Your help is needed and appreciated to stop abuse against innocent animals. Thanks! Shirley Return to Index |
| Date: Sat, Feb 28, 1998 at 01:44:15 (EST) Poster: shirley jdemrt1atnycap.rr.com To: Everyone Subject: Cindy Message: a similar situation like Cindy's occurred in Schenectady, NY to a cat named Buster. Assemblyman Jim Tedisco of Schenectady has introduced a bill in the NYS Assembly changing acts of cruelty to animals from a misdemeanor to a felony. The bill also requires psychiatric evaluation for those who commit such cruel acts. Studies show that children who commit these acts grow up to commit worse acts against human beings. Peititions are being circulated in support of the "Buster Bill". You can request more details and a petition by contacting Assemblyman Tedisco's office at (518) 370-2812 or writing to 114 Broadway, Schenectady, NY 12305. Your help is needed and appreciated to stop abuse against innocent animals. Thanks! Shirley Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 15:00:17 (EST) Poster: Colleen M. ladyduq@hotmail.com To: . Subject: Re: TV Coverage Of Cindy's Funeral Re: TV Coverage Of Cindy's Funeral Message: I was also impressed by the media coverage. They devoted more than an adequate amount of time to the story and it was obvious they were truly affected by it. There was a very humane element to the reporting. Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 14:59:45 (EST) Poster: Colleen M. ladyduq@hotmail.com To: . Subject: Re: TV Coverage Of Cindy's Funeral Re: TV Coverage Of Cindy's Funeral Message: . Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 08:07:59 (EST) Poster: Cathy To: Colleen M. Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Joan's post Re: Joan's post Message: Have you ever lived in a juvenile home or prison - as I have? Try it. You might feel very differently. Did you ever set kittens on fire? Well, if juvenile homes and prisons are so bad, then maybe sadists who set kittens on fire should think about that before they commit such heineous crimes. They deserve WORSE than juvenile homes and prison!! Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 08:02:02 (EST) Poster: Shane G. Sutliff sgsutlif@mailbox.syr.edu To: Everyone Subject: TV Coverage Of Cindy's Funeral Message: I would like to show appreciation to the News Departments at Syracuse TV Stations Channels 3, 5 and 9. I feel their coverage of Cindy's funeral was extensive and got excellent coverage on the newscasts that were on TV that same day of Cindy's services. Being at the funeral myself, I was impressed with the professionalism of the TV News Staffs that were doing the coverage and all their senstivity showed at the services. This event was record breaking for the number of people at the funeral at Pet Haven Cemetary, and it was just great to have the TV coverage, to show how the people of Syracuse and Central New York banded together to honor Cindy at this farewell. Our Syracuse TV stations and their News Departments are doing a lot of good for our community with their news coverage in general, and I am pleased to be a resident of Syracuse where we have such excellent TV Stations. In closing today, I would just like to thank Cindy for all she has done for us here in Syracuse and for what she will do for us in the days ahead. Cindy may not be with us here physically now with her death, but her spirit will be with us all regularly. And that is something that nobody or anything can ever take away from us. Her courageous fight to live after being injured and her testament of being such a sweet and beautiful feline has given all of us a unique gift of love, peace and tranquility that we might not have ever known if it weren't for Cindy. Thank you Cindy, and God Bless You Cindy........... Shane G. Sutliff Syracuse, NY Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 02:17:51 (EST) Poster: Sunkist To: Sunkist Subject: Re: Just cried Re: Just cried Message: I've read this person threw Cindy into the air after lighting her on fire. Did this person believe he was sending her to heaven? Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 01:50:11 (EST) Poster: Gloria To: Goepfert & Burgess Subject: Re: Re: Outrage and Profound Sadness Re: Outrage and Profound Sadness Message: ...So go and cry for Cindy. But also shed a tear for yourself because it is people the same age and mentality as this kid who will be running the country in 20 to 25 years and when that happens, woe is us. Hi I can't agree with your comment. I know kids who are this age and they don't share the same mentality. Let's not stereotype. There have always been people like this kid in every generation. Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 01:38:11 (EST) Poster: Dorian To: Barbara Subject: Re: Re: Cindy's killer Re: Cindy's killer Message: ...There is a difference between first offense and first time caught. Hasn't it been proven that serial killers very often tortured animals when they were children...What Barbara is saying is very true. One shouldn't assume this person was not violent before and will not be violent again. My saying this has nothing to do with not giving somebody the benefit of a 'shadow of a doubt'. It has everything to do with reality. We are talking about cruel and unusual punishment which was rendered by this person upon another living-being. Let's not forget that. It is inexcusable when a country does this to one of its citizens; it should follow that it is inexcusable when a human being does this to a more vulnerable life force than itself. Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 01:02:13 (EST) Poster: Dorian dorian@hotmail.com To: Joan Subject: Re: Let's think about this Re: Let's think about this Message: ...The judge has to have society's good in mind but also the good of this boy...At age 15, this person is no longer a boy. This person is a young man. Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 00:45:24 (EST) Poster: Sunkist sunkist@idirect.com To: lee Subject: Re: Zero Tolerance Re: Zero Tolerance Message: What is a just punishment for such a cruel act? I believe a years worth of weekends performing community service at the Humane Society may be fitting. Supervised of course. Miss a weekend, go to jail! AS a society we must have ZERO TOLERANCE for an atrocity like this. By the sound of it, this fellow would thrive off the suffering of animals. He's a psychopath---he has no conscious and cannot feel empathy for his victim. To put him in the HS just wouldn't work and probably would be detrimental. Return to Index |
| Date: Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 00:23:22 (EST) Poster: Sunkist sunkist@idirect.com To: Everyone Subject: Just cried Message: I've just learned about what happened to Cindy. When I saw the photos of that little body I just broke down and cried. To think that kitten was on this earth for such a very short time and what it learned was suffering at the hands of a twisted boy. Innocense robbed, peace destroyed. I can feel nothing less than rage and can pray only that justice is served upon the monster who did this sadistic deed. Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, Feb 26, 1998 at 19:56:07 (EST) Poster: Patty Z caseynpat@aol.com To: Everyone Subject: Cindy Message: Iam a tv news producer, and I see and hear and write about all sorts of tragedy every day. But I am also a cat lover (my little one is sitting on my lap as I write this!), and I have been brought to tears by Cindy's story, and the stories of all abused animals. Animals have a pure spirit you do not find in humans, and I often think they are more pleasing to God than we could ever be, because they do not carry out pre-meditated harm to others. I hope there's a Heaven for animals, especially our pets...may Cindy rest in peace. Patty Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, Feb 26, 1998 at 18:16:33 (EST) Poster: Colleen M. To: Catfish Subject: Re: Re: Re: Joan's post Re: Joan's post Message: Have you ever lived in a juvenile home or prison - as I have? Try it. You might feel very differently. Did you ever set kittens on fire? Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, Feb 26, 1998 at 18:04:13 (EST) Poster: Catfish To: Cathy Subject: Re: Re: Joan's post Re: Joan's post Message: Have you ever lived in a juvenile home or prison - as I have? Try it. You might feel very differently. Return to Index |
| Date: Thurs, Feb 26, 1998 at 18:00:39 (EST) Poster: WildCat To: Joan Subject: Re: Re: Re: Let's think about this Re: Thank you, Joan. Message: Your efforts are appreciated. I truly hope that we will find the way to reach these young minds and prevent the situations that lead to such desperation. Return to Index |
| Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:13:42 (EST) Poster: Tenley Theswimmer1@juno.com To: Everyone Subject: Comment on 2 Previous Messages Message: I have a few comments to make regarding 2 previous messages. Stacy (on 2/19) asks Joan what if it were her cat. Joan replies on 2/20 that if it were her cat, she would feel responsible for letting her cat outdoors. Well, I have learned from a reliable source that the boy (subhuman) who did this horrible thing to poor Cindy owned the cat, so even if Cindy had been an indoor cat, this lowlife still had access to her. Let's think about THAT! Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 19:49:12 (EST) Poster: Vivian viv103@webtv.net To: Everyone Subject: Cindy Message: I have just heard about Cindy,and can not believe what that boy did to her.I agree that this boy needs help.If he did this now what will he be doing in a week or a year from now.We know now that Cindy is a peace,after suffering so much in such a short life.She also knows of all the people that prayed for her.Rest at peace Cindy Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 19:29:44 (EST) Poster: Lynne LRoberts19@aol.com To: Everyone Subject: Criminal Message: There is no way this dirtbag should be allowed near animals as any type of his punishment. What if another cat or dog trusts him to get too close--what fate awaits that animal?? NY should do like they do in the state of Virginia--hook 'em all in a chain gang and let them clean up the highways in public view of the law-abiding taxpayers while shotgun-toting officers keep a watchful eye. Put the parents there too-- if they are a known commodity--for they are failures too. Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 17:49:36 (EST) Poster: Joan pijo@localnet.com To: Katie Subject: Re: Tougher Laws Re: Tougher Laws Message: It should be noted that there is a law, A.2268/S3311 "Felony Cruelty" that "elevates intentional animal cruelty that causes serious physical injury or death to a class E felony; makes repeat cruelty offenses of any type committed within 5 years of conviction a felony." Several other states have legislation pending on various things. If anyone is interested in more information, the site is: www.aspca.org > >Unfortunately if the bill passes it probably won't apply to Cindy's >killer, if apprehended ! But at least it will be there for future use. > Return to Index |
| Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 15:25:51 (EST) Poster: Katie |